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Bonjour,

Le 28/04/2025 à 02:16, Neopilina a dit :

Ce qui dépend, philosophiquement dit, de Ta (à chacun la Sienne, constitutive) " relation a priori à ", psychanalytiquement dit, ta relation symbolique. On est parfois très manifestement dans l'obligation de " remettre " le " fer " au feu.

je dois à nouveau dire que la psychanalyse est une pseudo-science, ce serait presque comme vouloir expliquer le comportement des gens à l'aide du vaudou ou de l'astrologie, cela fait certes  " sens " pour les personnes engagées dans ces visions " alternatives " mais c'est relativement déconnecté de l'objectivité des faits et phénomènes réels en lice, un peu comme avec les tâches de Rorschach ou la paréidolie, on y voit un peu ce que l'on désire y voir qu'importe son adéquation !

Mon propos était bien plus terre-à-terre, pragmatique ( IOED = Illusion of explanatory depth ) et scientifique  :

" IOEDs are likely to emerge when people mistake their mastery of the abstract characteristics of the concept for a belief that they understand the concrete aspects of the concept deeply, when their understanding is far shallower. "

" When asked whether they understand how a ballpoint pen works, for example, people are likely to reach very different conclusions depending on whether they adopt an abstract or concrete construal of the pen. Abstractly, ballpoint pens enable people to write information by applying ink to a sheet of paper. This abstract construal is super- ficially compelling, and people in an abstract mindset are likely to interpret their understanding of the pen’s general, abstract proper- ties as a satisfying, concise explanation of how the pen works. In fact, this abstract construal of the pen ignores the mechanism that enables the pen to perform that function in the first place. In contrast, a more concrete representation might focus on the parts that constitute the pen (the barrel, the ball, and the ink reservoir) and how they work in concert to release the ink. [...]

People who adopt a concrete representation of a ballpoint pen are therefore better equipped to assess how well they understand the role of each component of the pen than are people who adopt a broad, abstract construal of the process.

IOEDs might arise because people confuse the metacognitive experience of understanding an abstract concept with the more relevant metacognitive experience of understanding the concept’s concrete details. These two metacognitive experiences arise from two distinct sets of cognitive content. For example, people who construe a ballpoint pen abstractly are more likely to focus on the pen’s function and perhaps its global appearance. In contrast, people who construe the pen concretely are more likely to focus on how well they understand how its parts work together to enable the pen to function—in this case, the appropriate metacognition. Accordingly, people are less likely to overestimate their understanding of how the pen works when their introspections focus appropriately on the pen’s concrete features rather than its abstract features. It is important that, in both cases, people rely on their metacognitions to assess their understanding of a pen. At the same time, however, they fail to recognize that construing the pen abstractly leads them to focus primarily on cognitive content that cannot illuminate how deeply they understand how the pen functions concretely. As such, IOEDs should become more pronounced as people adopt increasingly abstract mindsets, and construal style should mediate the strength of the illusion. "

Missing the Trees for the Forest:A Construal Level Account of the Illusion of Explanatory Depth

Il y a 17 heures, deja-utilise a dit :

je dois à nouveau dire que la psychanalyse est une pseudo-science, ce serait presque comme vouloir expliquer le comportement des gens à l'aide du vaudou ou de l'astrologie,

Bah déjà, mettre les trois là dans le même sac, ça dit toute la " nuance " !

- Quand j'étais petit, dans un village à 5 Kms de chez moi, un vieux garçon qui vivait avec ses parents dans la maison où il est né a pris un fusil, tué ses parents, une cartouche chacun, les gendarmes l'ont trouvé assis et mutique en bas des escaliers qui menaient à l'étage. On ne l'a jamais revu, H.P. direct. Un jour, longtemps plus tard, j'ai appris son enterrement. Est-ce que tu peux me dire ce que tu en penses ?

- Y'a t-il une discipline psy qui trouve grâce à tes yeux, et si oui laquelle et pourquoi ?

P.S. Je ne cause pas l'anglois (juste de quoi ne pas mourir de faim à l'étranger, mais ça ne compte pas).